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Nov 14, 2019

This episode Zach and Caleb discuss the ethics surrounding the use of punishment and implications for some often-used procedures (e.g., DRO or positive practice). They are joined by Dr. Joshua Jessel, Dr. Robert Ross, and Dr. Paulo Guilhardi. 


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Things to check out from the episode:


BACB Professional and Ethical Compliance Codes-  4.08, 4.09




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Jessel, J., Ingvarsson, E. T., Metras, R., Kirk, H., & Whipple, R. (2018). Achieving socially significant reductions in problem behavior following the interview‐informed synthesized contingency analysis: A summary of 25 outpatient applications. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 51, 130-157.


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